Red means stop, yellow means prepare for a red (stop if safe), and green means go.
But what does flashing green mean?
Someone recently asked us if we could clarify this for them and here’s the answer.
A flashing green light on a traffic signal means the signal is pedestrian activated. So, when you approach a flashing green light, use caution, because the signal could be activated by a pedestrian at any time and you might have to stop and let the pedestrian to cross.
We’ve been using flashing green lights in BC since the 80s and they are usually found either mid-block in the city or at intersections on city roads and provincial highways.
This question is usually asked by people hailing from Ontario, where a flashing green light was commonly used as a protected left turn signal. Ontario has since adopted Transportation Association of Canada (TAC) standards and is slowly moving away from using the flashing green light in this way. An interesting side note: Our green ball flashes at 60 flashes per minute (a little on the slower side) whereas the Ontario flash rate was a higher (or faster) flash rate.
So, there you have it. Hopefully this answers the question and helps you understand the history of flashing green lights.
Do you have any other rules of the road you are curious about? Tell TranBC or let us know in the comments below and we will try to get an answer for you.
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After driving in bc now i understand what flashing green means but why? This flashing green explains nothing to a driver (intentional or other province).
You can use any color along with pedestrian symbol is self explanatory otherwise “what does green light mean?” Logic would say go, flashing … may read … cautionary but that still not enough to specifically give priority for pedestrian.
If bc has not updated rules since 1980… maybe it’s time.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Ceecee.
hey, i’m not from Canada nor US. just visit Canada last month and found these flashing green light interesting.
It is strange to have same signal but represent two different meaning. But a flashing green light indicates one can turn left safely is not intuitive. A green left turn sign may do the job better.
Just want to know who has the right of way. Is pedestrian must enable the signal before crossing the road? What is the signal of the small street when the main road has flashing green lights?
Thanks
Hi there,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. When a pedestrian activates the green flashing signal light, the light will change to yellow and then red so that drivers will stop and the pedestrian can cross safely. So, when you approach a flashing green light, use caution, because the signal could be activated by a pedestrian at any time and you might have to stop for crossing pedestrians.
Having driven in many other provinces (Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia) where a flashing green means advance left turn, I had no idea that it would be different in BC. When we were house hunting here, the only reason I realized that a flashing green in BC meant something different was because I saw one where you physically could not make a left turn. Saying that the flashing occurs at a different rate here than in Ontario is ridiculous. Nobody will notice that. All they will notice is that it is flashing. I still don’t understand the point of the flashing green here anyway. The light flashes green then turns green, yellow, and red. How is that seriously different from green to yellow to red? Wouldn’t it be safer to be consistent with more provinces? You wouldn’t have to use flashing green for advance left turns, just don’t use it at all.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
When at a stop sign perpendicular to a flashing green light main road, how do I drive when the main road has a red light and the pedestrians are crossing. Specifically, when the main road is red do I still stop fully at the stop sign or drive through it like a “normal” intersection. (I always see the three or four cars waiting for the main road to have a red light and then they all drive through the stop sign to get across while pedestrians are crossing parallel with us.)
Hi, Josh.
If there is a stop sign, you must always stop.
Thanks for connecting with us here.
Have you ever seen that the traffic lights goes red, yellow, green but it’s in flashing kind? I was wondering what caused it and how would you fixed it if you saw it where you are located at?
Hi Chris – here’s a great link to more information on the types of traffic lights and how they are activated. Hope this is helpful.
https://www.drivesmartbc.ca/signs-signals/flashing-traffic-signals
this green is on Higly road higher than regular street lights and a bright lime green that flashes off and on spatically please explain whywhyl
Hi Cherilyn – thanks for your comment. Where exactly is this light located? That will help us determine how to respond. 🙂
Ok exactly why am I seeing this? Thanks
Hi Mike – not sure what you mean? Without knowing the details of your situation, we can’t help – sorry.
It would be useful to explain what this light means for the cross road. Lot’s of people, especially cyclists, don’t know that they should act as if there’s a stop sign.
Sometimes cars and cyclists are sitting there waiting for the light to turn red so they can cross, even if there’s no traffic on the road with the light.
Thanks for your suggestion, Martin!
I am totally agree with the explanation of flashing green traffic rules. I get that! We’re from Montreal, vacationing here in Vancouver this week…However, we’re noticing, at the mid-intersection that we’re about to engage to turn left; in that moment there’s fewer pedestrians crossing. We’re be able to turn left safely. But, the opposite direction oncoming cars are continuously passing instead of stopping! We’re right or wrong !?
Finally, the traffic yellow light is on and we’re have no other choice to turn without causing incident.
Hi there Josiane – yes – the traffic in the oncoming direction can be so much in volume that you might not have any other choice but to wait until the light turns yellow to pull through the intersection. Hope you have a great trip!
what’s the difference between
flashing green lights and normal green lights.
Why do my carbon monoxide alway beeping green is it set up right. This old house and wish someone can come check out smoke detectors also to make I’m living safe
Hi Shirlin Campbell- we don’t do fire safety work but encourage you to connect with someone near you to make sure your detectors to make sure they are working properly. We encourage you to google smoke detectors and see what comes up for your area. Take care!
why
why what?
The description of the significance of the flashing green light is extremely poor.
So as a motorist, approaching a flashing green light, one should assume that a pedestrian will walk out onto the street and cross the road in front of traffic driving through the green light?
Ok.
Hi is this real?,
In BC, the flashing green light means watch for pedestrians, who may activate the pedestrian traffic light to change to yellow and then to red. Even if the pedestrian traffic light is not activated, traffic on the side street is facing a stop sign, and may be waiting to move into the intersection when it is clear and safe to do so. Read more in the ICBC Rules of the Road here: https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/documents/drivers4.pdf
Shouldn’t one always watch for pedestrians???
Therefore isn’t this light redundant?
Hi there, Eric. While one should always watch for pedestrians doesn’t mean this can be counted on as always the case. Better safe, than sorry. Safe travels!
Wow you all are nuts up north (are you in the same country?). In the U.S. we try to get on the same page with 50 states. I am in Seattle, and always was curious what the deal was with the flashing greens in BC. I thought it was flashing green was early in the green interval, and solid green later in the green interval (soon to be yellow/amber) — sort of a pre-yellow. I hadn’t heard that other provinces used flashing greens in different ways. Have there been studies about increased safety using flashing greens with ped intervals?
Thanks for your feedback. Our engineers follow the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Canada. Here’s a link to more info on that:
https://www.tac-atc.ca/en/publications-and-resources/mutcdc
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/transportation-infrastructure/engineering-standards-guidelines
Hope this helps!
Meanwhile, in almost all the rest of Canada, a flashing green is an advanced green aka a green indicating that traffic can turn left while oncoming traffic has a red. Quite frankly, it is dangerous for this light to mean anything else if it’s going to mean left turn in most other places. This can lead to people thinking that they are free to turn left (and reasonably so) and end up in a collision with oncoming traffic.
Not sure what need there is to know if the light was initiated by pedestrians. If you have a green, it should be a ‘no walk’ for pedestrians to cross the road you are on. Unless we are talking about any vehicle turning left or right and passing over crosswalks controlled by the same lights. In this case, drivers should be checking for pedestrians regardless. There is nothing stopping a pedestrian from not hitting the button and simply following the traffic lights. In other words, even if it was a solid green, there still can be someone crossing which is why when turning left or right, always look.
Thanks for your comment, Joe.
I used to live at Cornwall and Maple Street in Vancouver in early 2000’s, at a corner with one of these flashing green lights. After almost being hit THREE times in the same week, with the last being an extremely close call, (I was driving home on the major street and cars would get frustrated that the light wasn’t changing, so they impatiently/dangerously rushed into the intersection to make a left in front of me), I decided to write the city about these lights.
While researching them, I discovered that a North American study had been done and Vancouver (at that time, not sure about now) was the only place in all of North America that used them! The report did not seem to be terribly enthused with their use (they noted people getting impatient and rushing out to cross closely before other cars, also getting out of their cars to hit the button themselves when no pedestrian was around, it also mentioned how others from out of town did not know how to handle them). So I’ve never been able to figure out why they think they are beneficial here…. I also don’t know why they don’t use a weight sensor plate under the cars on the minor street like other provinces, so they know that the light will eventually turn so they can turn. It literally will not change unless a pedestrian comes along. Is this not asinine??
I did hear back from a city engineer named Winston, who spoke with me for about 45 minutes about it, but ultimately didn’t care.
I’m just back in Vancouver (having moved away for many years) and I see that they are back in even more locations now! I am stunned. I was also just talking to an old friend who has moved to the area and she said her first time at one, she almost caused an accident, thinking it was an advanced green. (She can’t be the first this has happend to….)
These flashing lights would maybe not be so bad if they had an additional weight sensor on the minor streets–then at least there wouldn’t be frustrated cars pulling impatiently and risking an accident, or having to get out of their car.
If they were such a wonderful solution, why have more locations across the country (or continent!) not adopted them?
Hi there Sarah – thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, it sounds like the issue you are having is with lights within the jurisdiction of the City of Vancouver, not on a numbered provincial highway, which means we won’t be of much help to you with your concern. We encourage you to reach out to the City of Vancouver again, citing your rationale. Here’s their contact info: https://vancouver.ca/streets-transportation.aspx
We hope that this is helpful. Thanks for connecting with us here.
Exactly. It seems irresponsible to have it any other way.
I have stopped at flashing green lights when a pedestrian was also standing at the crosswalk. No attempt was made by the pedestrian to cross so I carried on driving, confused as to why the pedestrian didn’t start to walk. This has happened to me more than once, same scenario each time. I suppose what I am supposed to do is slow right down and yet keep going also unless the light starts to flash orange or red. Seems that this is dangerous though, as no-one is clear as to what to do.
Hello Victoria and thank you for exercising your due diligence around pedestrians at or near crosswalks.
If you look to your left and right you will likely see that the pedestrian is looking at a pedestrian light that is telling them not to cross. When a pedestrian or cyclist or driver or passenger presses one of the buttons that controls the lights they will (likely after a delay) change from flashing green to solid orange then solid red, then the pedestrian light will change from don’t walk to walk.
Good idea to have blinking green just before signal turns to Amber and Red.
Reduces the chance of people jumping a red light unintentionally. Dubai and Abu Dhabi have this and I love it.
We agree Ahmad – thanks for your comment!
Just looking for more “enlightenment” on flashing green… Approaching any green light, flashing or not, a responsible motorist should be prepared for the light to change and be scanning the intersection for pedestrian and car cross-traffic that may not be heeding their red signal. Precisely how should a responsible motorist approach a flashing green light differently than a solid red light? Thanks for your time…
Hi Jason – you are correct, motorists should scan and approach every intersection with caution, red, yellow, flashing yellow, green, flashing green alike.
Looks like you might be stateside, however, here is a link to our ICBC Drive Safe manual for more info on BC procedures: https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/Documents/drivers4.pdf
I think most (if not all) flashing green lights in BC only have a stop sign and a walk/don’t walk light for the cross traffic.
As I found out the hard way green does not mean go actually. It means “proceed if safe to do so”. If someone runs the red causing an accident you will share the blame equally.
How long is the green flashing light on from midnight to 6a,m. So the taxi’s can get to the airport faster?
Hi there
If you let us know where this flashing green is, we can try to get more information for you. Thanks!
Wow. This is quite new to me. A few comments:
– Despite what your traffic engineers told you (your Sept 2016 comment), Ontario is far from the only province where flashing means protected left turn. Quoting a 2015 article in The Globe and Mail titled “Why B.C.’s flashing green lights don’t mean the same thing as those in Ontario”: In Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, the driving manuals say a flashing green light means the same thing as a left-pointing arrow and a green light: it’s an advance green. Oncoming traffic is still facing a red.”
– It’d be nice if you’d explain the acronyms you’re using. For unsuspecting readers, TAC is the Transportation Association of Canada. A link to their website (which I found) would be appreciated. A link to the standard you’re referring to (which I didn’t) would be awesome.
– I’m a bit disappointed by the underlying tone of this post, which to me sounds like “we’re doing it right, other provinces have it wrong and should fix their stuff”. In the interest of public safety, despite the different flashing speeds, I feel like it’d be better if *all provinces* would stop using that non-standard signal, until all drivers un-learn it – which may well take a few generations. There are alternatives available for both meanings.
Hi Mark. Thanks for your comments and suggestions. We thought the blog post would be useful since there is inconsistency around flashing green lights across the country.
Agreed, we should have gone beyond the TAC acronym! I’ve added the full title and included a link to the Transportation Association of Canada website. Unfortunately, I could not find the specific standards around flashing green lights on their website.
“– Despite what your traffic engineers told you (your Sept 2016 comment), Ontario is far from the only province where flashing means protected left turn. Quoting a 2015 article in The Globe and Mail titled “Why B.C.’s flashing green lights don’t mean the same thing as those in Ontario”: In Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, the driving manuals say a flashing green light means the same thing as a left-pointing arrow and a green light: it’s an advance green. Oncoming traffic is still facing a red.””
Exactly this and to have it mean anything else in BC is very dangerous. I’ve been to BC twice. Once for a personal visit and once due to work. I’m glad I didn’t encounter any flashing green as I likely would’ve ended up in an accident with oncoming traffic thinking I have an advanced green. Honestly, it is long past due for Canada to have a unified standard when it comes to traffic law / road rules.
Don’t like the flashing green light in bc
Hopefully this blog helps you understand how and why we use flashing green lights here Anonymous.
I found this out coming from Manitoba in 1973 where flashing green was the same as for Alberta and Ontario, almost got hit. So the flashing green goes back before the 80’s
Thanks for this Nick, we will pass the information along.
This is a very dangerous type of light.
I am from Alberta and a flashing green means we have the right of way to on coming traffic!!
There is no information coming into the province on the highways about this change.
I figured it out by almost getting into an accident.
Why not just make the light red for traffic when a pedestrian is going to cross .
Thanks for your comments Judy, about what the flashing green light means in BC. I will forward your comment/question to one of our traffic engineers, for their input.
I was recently broadsided by a vehicle at a pedestrian controlled (PC) intersection by a major road driver while I was in the middle of a “lawful” and safe left-turn, after of course stopping at the Stop line for almost a minute. A witness was also doing the same turning left on the opposite direction. A Third vehicle raced through the PC intersection in the middle of our turn narrowly missed the witness but broadsided my wagon. I submitted my dashcam video proving all the right moves of mine and the witness but was ruled 100% responsible for the crash saying the Third vehicle “had the right of way”. I am applying for a C.A.R. and will fight tooth and nail pursuant to the MVA Section 127 which regulates and governs the use of a PC intersection, excerpt as follows:
Green light
127 (1) When a green light alone is exhibited at an intersection by a traffic control signal,
(a) the driver of a vehicle facing the green light
(i) may cause the vehicle to proceed straight through the intersection, or to turn left or right, subject to a sign or signal prohibiting a left or right turn, or both, or designating the turning movement permitted,
(ii) must yield the right of way to pedestrians lawfully in the intersection or in an adjacent crosswalk at the time the green light is exhibited, and
(iii) must yield the right of way to vehicles lawfully in the intersection at the time the green light became exhibited, and
(b) a pedestrian facing the green light may proceed across the roadway in a marked or unmarked crosswalk, subject to special pedestrian traffic control signals directing him or her otherwise, and has the right of way for that purpose over all vehicles.
Hallo David,
I’m curious to know how/if this has been resolved. In a similar situation.
So if I am reading this correctly, I can still turn left on a flashing green in BC, as long as I watch for pedestrians? I am from Ontario, traveling to BC, so I would appreciate the clarification.
Hi Kyna,
Yes, approach a flashing green with caution and if there are no pedestrians trying to cross, you can turn left.
So long as you realize that opposing vehicular traffic also has a green flashing light and that they (and you) are allowed to proceed straight through, turn right, or turn left. Pedestrians that are facing the flashing green light can also cross in the direction of the light if there is no pedestrian light or sign that says otherwise. Most (all?) intersections only have two (opposing) flashing green lights, cross vehiclular traffic has stop signs and the cross pedestrian traffic has don’t walk lights that will change to walk after they (or a driver/passenger, or a cyclist) press a button that changes the flashing green lights to solid amber then solid red.
I have heard that Hedy Lamarr was the original inventor of the pedestrian crossing signal (those kind in the above discussion). The one she designed used that very same blinking green light to indicate that the traffic signal was not an ordinary or standard four-way signal, but rather one that was strictly controlled by a person on the sidewalk who pressed a button. The only difference with her design was the fact that it blinked green on the Main Street and blinked red on the side street and then when a pedestrian would activate the traffic signal it would change to solid red on the Main Street adn solid green on the side street, thus eliminating the need for any stop sign to be used. (The flashing red indicated the same thing as a stop sign.) That system should be employed in British Columbia and the Yukon.
What an interesting story Jasmine! Thank you for sharing that with us.
Vancouver used to have flashing red lights on the cross streets that had the flashing green lights until the 90s or so.
Everywhere else in the country and in most places in the US a flashing green is an advanced green – i.e. it means that you have the right of way to turn left. Although most flashing lights have been replaced by green arrows, anyone over the age of 30 will have grown up with this system and it’s still in the handbook for most provinces (eg: http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/handbook/section3.2.5.shtml). I’m new to BC and had a near miss because of this – I can’t imagine how many accidents this must cause. I can’t fathom the idiocy of the person that came up with this and the irresponsibility of the BC government in employing it.
Hi Andy,
Thanks for your comment and for connecting with us here. We spoke with our traffic engineers about your comment and they confirmed that only the Province of Ontario uses the flashing green in this way and they are actively phasing it out.
I am surprised to read that your traffic engineers believe that it’s only Ontario that uses the “advance green.” Here is the quote from the current edition of the Alberta “Driver’s Guide”:
FLASHING GREEN LIGHT:
Drivers facing a flashing green traffic control light are permitted to go through, turn left or turn right without stopping. Opposing traffic will be facing a red light; however a driver must still yield to pedestrians or other vehicles lawfully in the intersection.
Further, in May of last year, an article on this subject in the Globe and Mail reported that “In Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, the driving manuals say a flashing green light means the same thing as a left-pointing arrow and a green light: it’s an advance green. Oncoming traffic is still facing a red. You may turn left, go straight ahead or turn right.”
It is rather frightening that BC traffic engineers are so so poorly informed on what the standard is in the rest of the country.
Hello Doug,
We shared your concern with our traffic engineers, and they were wondering if you were referring to flashing green lights used as an advance left or just a flashing green light? Flashing green lights that flash like ours, and those used as left turn signals in Ontario, flash at different rates. As such, this blog is actually less about flashing green lights, and more about flashing green lights, how they are applied/utilized, what are the flash rates they run at, and what they are being used for in the field.
If you read the Canadian MUTCD, which many jurisdictions use in Canada, there is no mention of flashing green lights. While some things written in law remain, how jurisdictions actually operate can be different – as technology and the cost to implement technology changes. Therefore, how jurisdictions currently operate signals, may be different than what is written into law.
We hope that this helps answer your question. Let us know if you have any other concerns.
“flash at different rates”
Are you serious. As if drivers are going to be like, ‘is that flashing at 1 blink per second or 2 blinks per second?’. Get real. It’s going to be ‘flashing green, I’m free to turn’ *hit by oncoming traffic*.
Also, you say that only Ontario still uses the flashing green? This is not true.
https://www.novascotia.ca/sns/rmv/handbook/DH-Chapter2.pdf
page 41
“The flashing green signal means that facing traffic may turn left, go straight ahead, or turn right.”
In fact, I’ve lived in NS, NB, ON, and AB. They all still follow the rule that a flashing green allows for a left turn while oncoming traffic has a red. BC is being the odd ball out for no good reason. There are better ways to control pedestrian movements. To repurpose a light signal that allows for left turns while oncoming traffic is stopped to one where oncoming traffic is not stopped is dangerous and foolish.
Thanks for your comment, Joe. We will share your comment with our staff. Safe travels.
More info on flashing green intersections.
One of the first things you learn is that you must stop at a stop sign. End of discussion.
If the flashing green intersection is clear you may proceed once you have stopped. If the Flashing green intersection is red you may proceed once you have stopped.
Pedestrians always have the right of way. It is up to the courts to determine who is at fault.
If the cross signal is red and you are at the stop sign the pedestrian has the right to cross in front of you. The red stop light is for motor vehicles only. This is the confusion. Pedestrians should only refer to the walk and don’t walk signals. You will notice there aren’t any pedestrian signals with the traffic signal as the cross street has a stop sign therefore giving the pedestrians the right of way in front of you. Motor vehicles must come to a complete stop at the stop sign regardless if the cross traffic signal is red or flashing green. I see many motorist who look at the walk and don’t walk signals as a reference for them to proceed without stopping at the stop sign. Those signals are for pedestrians only. If you do not stop at the stop sign you can be ticketed for not stopping at the stop sign. There is no clear explanation in the BC Motor Vehicle Act about these intersections however red lights, flashing green lights, stop signs, walk and don’t walk signals are. A stop sign and a red light at an intersection mean the same thing. Stop. The stop sign does not become non existent if the cross traffic signal is red. That would be ridiculous and you would surely loose your case in court.
Thanks for your great comment Bob!
Is Bob’s comment great? He is very wrong when he writes “Pedestrians always have the right of way. It is up to the courts to determine who is at fault. If the cross signal is red and you are at the stop sign the pedestrian has the right to cross in front of you. The red stop light is for motor vehicles only. This is the confusion. Pedestrians should only refer to the walk and don’t walk signals. You will notice there aren’t any pedestrian signals with the traffic signal as the cross street has a stop sign therefore giving the pedestrians the right of way in front of you.”
The BC MVA includes
“Red light
129….
(4) When a red light alone is exhibited at an intersection by a traffic control signal,
(a) a pedestrian facing the red light must not enter the roadway unless instructed that he or she may do so by a pedestrian traffic control signal,” http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96318_05#section129
I heartily concur with Bob and the others who have observed that nobody is stopping for the stop signs on cross streets where there is a flashing green for the arterial street. I have been a driving instructor for 20 years and I witness these infractions so many times/day that I could retire a wealthy man if I had a nickel for each one.
I have had both myself and my students get honked at for stopping. Sometimes it is all I can do to hold my temper when somebody honks or yells about my or my student stopping. Stop signs are a sore point with me as my late former boss (and mentor in this business) was killed 18 years ago by someone running a stop sign (luckily his student’s injuries were very minor).
I would estimate–conservatively–that 99 out of 100 people blow the stop sign in a flashing green situation. I see it many times per day, whether at work or not. I live in Kitsilano near the busiest part of the 4th Ave. commercial district. There is lots of pedestrian traffic, particularly crossing at 4th & Yew. I have seen many close calls there.
One thing I know, only via observation, not through an ICBC pamphlet, is that when the pedestrian signal changes from “walk” to the flashing red hand, that the hand will go solid for two or three seconds (in effect like an amber light) before the red changes back to flashing green. Virtually no one knows this, consequently it’s very common for drivers to blow through the stop sign into the intersection, just as the arterial traffic is about to move. I have seen many, many very close calls in this situation.
I know of at least one fatal crash which happened at the intersection of 37th & Granville, it was several years ago, before the intersection was altered so cars could no longer cross east-west on 37th Ave, in favor of bicycles. My surmise is that the car crossing busy Granville rushed in, just as the light turned green and was likely T-boned by a car coming fast down the curb lane.
Clearly something needs to be done, given that the urban myth that the stop sign at such intersections is invalidated by the light is what the majority of drivers believe to be true. I think what a few others proposed here about having a flashing red instead of a stop sign for the side streets is likely a better idea than the status quo…
“Red light
129….
(4) When a red light alone is exhibited at an intersection by a traffic control signal,
(a) a pedestrian facing the red light must not enter the roadway unless instructed that he or she may do so by a pedestrian traffic control signal,” http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96318_05#section129
I understand the flashing green light, but what drives me crazy (unintended pun) is the stop sign on the side street! Everyone runs the stop sign when the crosswalk light is red. I don’t like running the stop sign, which I have to do to avoid getting rear ended by the person behind me. And if I cross as a pedestrian in front of the stop sign when the crosswalk light is red, people scold me for j-walking! Even stranger, when I ask people about the stop sign, I always get the same answer: “there is no stop sign.” Then when I point to the sign, they look confused and shrug their shoulders. I really wish someone would clear this up.
Hi David,
Is there a crosswalk in particular you are thinking of?
Hello – Thank you for reading my post. I find this happens with all the flashing green intersections in Vancouver. I live in Point Grey, so the ones closest to me are along the shopping districts on 10th Ave, 4th Ave, Broadway, and Cambie.
To be more specific, what happens is people treat the light as if it was a four way traffic light, so that when it turns red for the main road, everyone acts as though now it is green for the side road, and so the drivers ignore the stop sign. Likewise, the pedestrians treat it as a four way pedestrian light, so that when it is the green walk sign for the main road, they act as though it is now a red don’t walk light for the side road, again ignoring the stop sign. Then, when it is green for the main road, everyone acts as though the stop sign has reappeared.
By the way, the best way to fix this would be to install four way lights that are flashing green for the main road and flashing red for the side road (indicating a stop sign). Then when someone presses the button, the light would turn solid red for the main road and solid green for the side road. Sometimes you have to make the rules match people’s behavior rather than trying to force people to behave!
Hello David,
Thanks for connecting back with us and sharing your insight. We will share your suggestion back with our traffic engineering department.
Pedestrians are not allowed to cross in front of the stop sign if they are facing a red traffic light (that was flashing green) unless they also have a “walk” pedestrian light. I wrote to the City of Vancouver about this and they confirmed that is the case. The BC Motor Vehicle Act includes:
“Red light
129….
(4) When a red light alone is exhibited at an intersection by a traffic control signal,
(a) a pedestrian facing the red light must not enter the roadway unless instructed that he or she may do so by a pedestrian traffic control signal,” http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96318_05#section129
I checked out the ICBC booklet chapter 3 and 4. The information is vague. Check the motor vehicle act of BC. That is the law and nothing else matters.
You mention the flashing green light at intersections and mid block. You fail to mention what pedestrians rules are. When crossing with the signal and it turns red, some pedestrians think they must stop and not cross until the light turns green again. Not so. The cross traffic has a stop sign. Even though there is a red light for cross street motor vehicles pedestrians have the right of way to cross the street as the red light is for motor vehicles not pedestrians. Regardless of a red light the cross traffic must come to a complete stop at the stop sign and then proceed through the intersection. I always see vehicles speeding through the intersection without stopping for the stop sign because they are looking at the walk and don’t walk signals. Failure to stop at a stop sign is against the motor vehicle act.
Flashing green lights not located at an intersection which are located mid block are pedestrian crosswalks and as such a motor vehicle can drive through it once they come to a complete stop, yield the right of way to any pedestrians in the crosswalk and then proceed through the red light if their are no pedestrians in the crosswalk. Motor vehicles are not allowed to go through an intersection controlled by a pedestrian signal when the traffic signal turns red. All motor vehicle traffic must wait for the green signal to proceed.
Bob I read this some where but talking to police man about this he said he would issue me a ticket if he find me crossing on red light even if it is clear and safe to do so. I see people waiting for green light at crossing without intersection .where can I find more information about this? Thank you.
Hello,
ICBC is the go to source for more information regarding pedestrian intersection safety. Here is a link for more information: http://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/Documents/drivers4.pdf
Hope that this helps!
Hello Mohammed,
Check under the BC Motor Vehicle Act. (129 Red Light) 129.1 and 129.5. 129.1 states when a Red Light is exhibited at an intersection, a motor vehicle must stop at the Red Light and only proceed until a traffic control signal instructs you to do so. 129.5 states when a Red Light is exhibited at a place other than an intersection, a motor vehicle must stop. It does not state you must only proceed when a signal instructs you. This is the difference. There are several interpretations on the web. I leave it to you to make your own conclusion. If I ever receive a ticket I will dispute it and document the results here.
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(4) When a red light alone is exhibited at an intersection by a traffic control signal,
(a) a pedestrian facing the red light must not enter the roadway unless instructed that he or she may do so by a pedestrian traffic control signal,” http://www.bclaws.ca/civix/document/id/complete/statreg/96318_05#section129
What is the rule with the vehicle coming the opposite way ?
It’s supposed to be one country eh? A flashing green needs to mean the same thing for everyone. So why can’t the politicians work something out so we can be consistent before someone is accidentally hurt.
My other pet peeve is the flashing yellow pedestrian cross walks. I see people fail to stop at them when they are flashing since they are infrequent and yellow means caution and not stop. They just don’t stand out like a stop light. Ah! But if we want people to stop why not make the pedestrian crossing lights red. We are creatures of habit and we recognize patterns faster. Therefore, let’s be consistent with all lights. Red is stop for everything except for pedestrian cross walks.